Its other benefits are just icing. It's solo mode is amazing, fighting with A Feast for Odin for the best in my book. The board games are expected to be available during the holiday season in 2020. I also find it much uglier. I played Terrans the first game and focused a lot on it. Terra Mystica, eines der beliebtesten Strategiespiele bei Vielspielern bekommt eine Fortsetzung spendiert. Feuerland Spiele Gaia Project 13 Strategiespiel für 1 bis 4 Spieler; Sprache: Deutsch; Spieldauer 60-150 Minuten; 2. Das spricht schonmal für GP. Online. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. New Thread ; Printer Friendly ; Subscribe ; Bookmark ; Thread Rolls. Thanks. I love Terra Mystica so much I’m afraid to try Gaia Project (I don’t want my favorite game to be replaced! Change it to your color, red, and plop a building down. Februar 2017. 15 potential combinations, which will force you to adapt in order to win. The only reason for me to recommend Terra Mystica would be the theme. The companies’ partnership started in 2018 with Fuji and Magnastorm.But now, Terra Mystica and Gaia Project—ranked 14th and 9th overall on BoardGameGeek—will be releasing, along with their expansions, in English due to the collaboration between Capstone and Feuerland. Projet Gaia. Consider the example of gaining 10 power with either 12 or 6 tokens, all in bowl 1. Overall I didn’t think the changes significant enough to buy it (I already own and love TM) and I prefer TM for personal, thematic reasons. [Projet Gaia] Errata non officiel des règles VF [Aide au choix de jeu] Gaia Project vs Barrage vs Root vs Food Chain Magnate With 12 tokens, you go from 2/10/0 to 2/0/5. No, the core principals are more or less the same, which is great. At this point I think GP edges out TM for me. I feel like I should like GP more, but the tightness of the leeching and blocking of TM feels so, so good, even if the balance isn't as good, the strategy isn't as deep, and the cults feel tacked on...Getting blocked hurts, leeching feels awesome. Get Terra Mystica. As if Terra Mystica weren’t a fantastic achievement in board gaming in its own right, Gaia Project is a souped up version IN SPACE. Des déplacements entre terrains plus importants, qui … It also changes the final scoring conditions which were static in TM. Join our community! 4 réponses sur “En route vers le Diamant d’or : Projet Gaïa” Guillaume L dit : 26 janvier 2018 à 12:05 Capstone will begin printing new editions of all titles and expansions within the next few weeks. Also: don't trust anyone telling you Navigation is a must-have track. O.o. Games might look very similar on the surface, but they are actually quite different. This is only a fraction of what is different. Gaia project scales between 2-4 players much better. As much as I love TM, GP is just too much better of a game. Reaktionen 2.173 Beiträge 1.288 Karteneintrag ja. For that reason alone it is worth exploring GP, even if you love TM. Popular Tags: What does "reimplements" mean? BGG User Collection. Join our community! Complete new mechanic for creating said joker planets, which is tied to power. Small footprint. It makes choosing tracks far more interesting because the track will help dictate your overall strategy. Alles erdenkliche wieviel du also im Themenfeld Terra mystica big box wissen wolltest, erfährst du auf der Seite - ergänzt durch die besten Terra mystica big box Vergleiche. Instead you get lump sum points for being high on them and they each give ongoing or one time bonuses as you go up. I was a longtime TM fan, and honestly doubted that a new game would replace it, but now I'd say Gaia Project is definitely my favorite. Oh oui, terriblement C’est Terra Mystica, revu et revampé ( attention, paragraphe lourd, dense et chargé ) Un matos amélioré, des fig plutôt que des pièces en bois (mais le bois, c’est quand même tellement plus chaud et organique), un plateau modulaire qui modifie chaque config de parties, pas fixe comme Terra Mystica, des illustrations plus techno, un thème SF plus vendeur. Different opinion here: The minor differences make Gaia Project slightly more fiddly without adding anything substancial. Clans of Caledonia was actually not on my radar at all until some of the recommendations here. Almost all of them think GP is better than TM (and all agree that it is at least as good). Commun (même si bien sûr adapté à chaque version) : Terra Mystica is not vastly inferiour, it's just not quite as elegant in its design. 5 5. These moments happen far more often in TM than they do in GP and for that reason I enjoy TM more. Gaia Project» Forums » General Subject: Gaia Project vs Terra Mystica. Gaia Project. That seems to be how most people got exposed to GP. 22. However, being able to add power back into your bowls means that burning power is even more powerful (if you’ll pardon the pun) than before. 3. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. I REALLY like the variable setup of the game. I have not played either, but the main reason I am more interested in Gaia Project is that it is supposedly much better with two players than Terra Mystica. Now to the question at hand: Gaia is a good duel game. Re:Terra Mystica: Gaia Project « Respuesta #25 en: 29 de Octubre de 2017, 19:41:20 » A saber, yo me he leído las reglas en inglés (bajadas de la web de Z-Man), y los componentes que se ven en las fotos que ya se han subido de Essen de la versión alemana, no veo que se diferencien en nada de los gráficos que salen en las instrucciones de la versión en inglés. It is a nice variant if you have played Terra Mystica to death, but if I had to choose between them, Terra edges out Gaia. SpaceTrucker. It is pretty much Terra Mystica (in space!) Interesting advanced tech tiles which can be as influential (or even more influential) than the end game bonus "goal tiles". Or be really good at what you are doing. Jeder Spieler übernimmt eines von 14 Völkern und besiedelt die Planeten einer Galaxie, indem verschiedene Gebäude darauf errichtet werden. I felt far less easily trapped in Gaia since you can burn a specific resource to fly farther, and all of space essentiallY acts like the river in TM. I’m looking to get either Terra Mystica or Gaia Project and I’m pretty torn on which to go for. We hechten belang aan een vriendelijke service en persoonlijk advies, Aangezien boardgamen onze passie is, schuiven we graag met jullie aan tafel om een spel uit te leggen of te spelen. I also find it much uglier. share. All opinion, but GP is just a more refined product that improves on everything TM did. Gaia is great at any count where TM shines at 4. True to the foundations that made Terra Mystica a massive success, this box invites one to four players to forge their own galactic empires. 4 8 15 16 23 42. Alle hier vorgestellten Terra mystica big box sind sofort bei Amazon.de verfügbar und somit in maximal 2 Tagen bei Ihnen zuhause. Gaia Project – Ein Terra Mystica Spiel von Helge Ostertag und Jens Drögemöller, erschienen im Feuerland-Verlag, ist ein Spiel für 1 – 4 Personen ab 14 Jahren. But I've only played one game. Mai 2017; 93; Verzeiht mir den emotionalen Ausbruch... aber das Cover ist brutal häßlich! This makes everything much different game to game. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. TM does have set board and more static starts that people can learn overtime, and cut off others but that's reallit as far as what is "better" than GP. So if you are debating which to get, the player count you usually play with may decide for you. I own Gaia Project, Terra Mystica and Clans of Caledonia. Would you say one or the other is better, or is it minor enough that theme is the main deciding factor to getting either? Cookies help us deliver our Services. This may not be a positive for you, but it’s surely something TM “does better.”, New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Manufacturer: Capstone Games Gaia Project is the successor to the worldwide hit Terra Mystica.In this game where luck plays no part, colonise the Terra Mystica galaxy as one of 14 unique factions. Reaktionen 5.105 Trophäen 5 Beiträge 4.705 Karteneintrag ja. It is a nice variant if you have played Terra Mystica to death, but if I had to choose between them, Terra edges out Gaia. burning power doesnt make getting power faster. J'adore Terra Mystica, je trouve que c'est un excellant jeu et nous (mon groupe de joueurs et moi) y avons beaucoup joué. I've played a lot of both. I also like the theme better as well. Is it a completely different game? The only reason I would go with TM is if theme is huge for you and you like fantasy much much more than science fiction. I will admit that I think I prefer TMs classic wooden pieces vs the plastic in Gaia but all together I don’t see myself playing TM again when Gaia is ever an alternate option. Projet Gaia : Terra Mystica dans l'espace ? In Gaia there are two extra tracks, but they are no longer majority scoring! In unserer Redaktion wird großes Augenmerk auf eine genaue Festlegung des Testverfahrens gelegt sowie der Artikel in der Endphase durch eine abschließenden Testnote bepunktet. There is way more reason (except just VP) to go up the tracks. - Zatrolené hry. Some new stuff is definitely better(tech track), but a lot of it is just new for the sake of having a bunch of new puzzle pieces onto a game that already has a bunch of them. People were only exposed to GP that way because it came second. Pas une grande expérience (3 parties de Terra Mystica à l'époque de sa sortie et 2 de Gaia Project ce week-end). Wir rezensieren den heiß ersehnten, lang erwarteten und mit viel Vorschußlorbeeren bedachten Nachfolger von Terra Mystica. That said, if you like more non interactive games that have oodles of mechanics to explore, go for GP. I’ve played TM three times and Gaia once. Power is more flexible and has more uses. Second, game component quality is worse in GP. TM's main issue for me was that it was only really good at 3 or 4 players (2 lacks competition while 5p is too crowded). Autoren: Helge Ostertag & Jens Drögemüller Spieler: 1-4 Alter: ab 14 Dauer: 60-150min UVP: 69,90 Euro . I’ve played it. You can always calculate your "usable power" as tokens in bowl 3 + (tokens in bowl 2)/2. I would definitely try either before you buy to make sure you like the flow of the game though. “spend your power till you have 6-7 fast” group think bugged me. Feuerland Spiele Terra Mystica: Big Box 21: 92,65€ 2: Feuerland FEU63564 Terra Mystica: Die Händler: 37,28€ 3: Z-Man Games ZMG71240 - Terra Mystica Brettspiel: 64,96€ 4: Feuerland Spiele Gaia Project 13: 65,78€ 5: Feuerland Spiele EIN Fest für Odin 08: 57,00€ 6 It is pretty much Terra Mystica (in space!) its actually better to have more power most of the time but its hard because 7c and the priest actions are so good. The round to round puzzle and end game scoring is more dynamic in GP. They don't seem to have any connection between their name, their art, and their abilities. Auch das… I've only played Gaia Project once so far but my initial response is that it's a much prettier game, a slightly less fiddly game (game aspects fit together much better and therefore are more intuitive), and is modular meaning more replayability at different player counts. Close. Hobbits/Darklings always wanted to shovel, while Giants' whole gameplan generally revolved around messing with the opponent. The other huge improvement IMO is the tech tracks. Terra Mystica: Gaia Project | Image | BoardGameGeek. Races are even more different, but they are less "leaning" towards a certain playstyle. Gaia Project is a new game in the line of Terra Mystica. In both cases, you had the power you needed, you just needed to burn more in the first example to get there. Man besiedelt Planeten, passen sie nicht zum eigenen Volk, werden sie entsprechend terraformt. Gaia Project is the better game without really putting any additional weight or complexity on top. Gloomhaven. For those who played both - would it be best to get Terra Mystica first and go for Gaia Project later (as sort of an “expansion”)? Among my friends who have played GP with me, several are veteran TM players. You should consider Clans of Caledonia as well. Faster to set up. report. Projet Gaia est un jeu Space Opera dans l’univers du désormais plus que célèbre Terra Mystica. 9 9. comments. Terra Mystica. [Mod] aus  Gaia Project [yze] Ich lese hier schon länger mit und hadere mit mir, ob sich der Kauf wirklich lohnt. Feuerland Spiele Terra Mystica: Big Box 21: 92,65€ 2: Feuerland FEU63564 Terra Mystica: Die Händler: 37,28€ 3: Z-Man Games ZMG71240 - Terra Mystica Brettspiel: 64,96€ 4: Feuerland Spiele Gaia Project 13: 65,78€ 5: Feuerland Spiele EIN Fest für Odin 08: 57,00€ 6 Dans ce jeu qui ne s’appuie pas sur la chance ni le hasard, chaque joueur incarne l'une des 14 différentes factions souhaitant coloniser une galaxie en s’implantant sur ses différentes planètes. Oh, you also cut off his network which would connect across this river space? Set your sights on distant stars and strive to colonize the galaxy in Gaia Project, the follow-up to the smash hit Terra Mystica! Two titans face off in a terra/gaiaforming contest of champions! Fast-paced. My only criticism of GP is the aliens. Einmal editiert, zuletzt von SpaceTrucker (28. Release Date: May 2020. Also note that double shovel is at 5 and not at 6, meaning that it remains contested even with multiple players investing into terraforming. Rules ; Subscriptions ; Bookmarks ; Search ; Account ; Moderators; Recommend . Let's say you need 5 power right now, so you burn to get enough. But, you can never go back, and are thus risking maxing out, having too few tokens to do an action you need later, or being unable to burn right now for fear of running out of tokens later. Feuerland Spiele Terra Mystica: Big Box 21: 92,65€ 2: Feuerland FEU63564 Terra Mystica: Die Händler: 37,28€ 3: Z-Man Games ZMG71240 - Terra Mystica Brettspiel: 64,96€ 4: Feuerland Spiele Gaia Project 13: 65,78€ 5: Feuerland Spiele EIN Fest für Odin 08: 57,00€ 6 $79.99 SRP. Short. What are the substantial differences between the two? Two of the most popular board games are on the way from Capstone Games and Feuerland Spiele. I also like the fact that you can add power to your bowls from the supply. The introduction of Gaia Projects are also great. Gaia project is good at all player counts. I dont understand people who are saying GP is more "elegant". I personally like TM and don't have an interest in GP. Tight. Press J to jump to the feed. Two "goal" tiles in game randomized from a pool of 6. Does it mean GP is an improved version and more complete game, based on Terra Mystica? Both games were designed by the same people. I'm not talking about the plastic pieces, I'm ok with those. Six tech tracks mean many different ways to approach the game. The biggest change is that they’ve incorporated the “cult track” more into the game and the rewards for working up the tech trees of it are more thematic and better. Better rulebook, less fiddly rules. The #1 reddit source for news, information, and discussion about modern board games and board game culture. Wie der Titel schon verrät, ist das Spiel der Nachfolger von Terra Mystica, dem international sehr erfolgreichen, vielfach ausgezeichneten Spiel aus dem Jahr 2015.. Par conséquent, pour se … It is so much more bloated than TM in mechanics it's not even close. Variable boards, end game scoring, tech tile position, and other things create way more variety and interesting gameplay. Terra Mystica Gaia Project erscheint 2017 Verfasst von Daniel Krause am 16. It's subtle but makes for some important decisions during the game! Terra Mystica has the same general gameplay but it's refined so much in GP. Other than being more streamlined, the one other big reason, that may sway you to TM, is that it is much tighter on space and blocking each other. There are parts where I think the additional complexity is better and worth it (research tracks vs cult tracks, changes to the power bowls), and parts where I think it is worse (Gaia planets). The priest scoring track in TM always felt like an afterthought mechanic that was tacked on, and because of this I usually ignored it and didn’t do well at the game since that’s a ton of points lost. I also never liked the endgame scoring related to connected buildings in TM, and in Gaia you actually score two different conditions and they change from game to game which helps variability even more. the reason why people do it is because usually the best moves involve power and the best way to get it is to burn it. Terra Mystica: Merchants of the Seas. Une discussion est en cours dans Hier j'ai joué à... sur les jeux aux règles complexes. Schachtelrückseite (Zum Vergrößern anklicken) Übersicht Links/Pressestimmen Downloads FAQ/Errata. I always liked TM, but the “spend your power till you have 6-7 fast” group think bugged me. People are eager to jump to conclusions about it being a "re-theme" for a full price and it simply isn't. Gaia Project. I would say go for GP. Will check it out! 2 Posts. But it plays very differently, adding a layer of logistics, increased importance of resource management, higher variety of potential goals etc. I can't think of a single thing terra does better. April 2016; 2; Interessant auf jeden Fall - Da müsste nur für mich ein It adds an entirely new game within the game. Clans totally ripped off the far superior Terra Mystica, and it’s interesting to me how everyone is cool with it. Terra Mystica: Gaia Project | Board Game | BoardGameGeek. A Terra Mystica: Gaia Project egy nagyon összetett társasjáték, 1 - 4 játékos részére, az átlagos játékidő hosszú, akár 1 - 2.5 óra is lehet. Reaktionen 3.916 Trophäen 1 Beiträge 2.572 Karteneintrag ja. It does a really good job of integrating them into the game and keeps it very interesting. Without going into detail, there are more options for each player on each turn, and more resources to consider. Terra mystica big box - Bewundern Sie dem Testsieger der Experten Bei uns findest du eine große Auswahl an getesteten Terra mystica big box sowie jene bedeutenden Fakten die du benötigst. This is my feeling as well. My highest scored game (214) was Hadsch Hallas (Some BGG users think of it as the weakest race for some reason) with Nav0. TM hat ja reichlich Lorbeeren geerntet und GP sollte die konsequente Weiterentwicklung sein. I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Solid at every player count. Fits in a smaller box. Come discuss games like Codenames, Arkham Horror, Terra Mystica, and all your other favorite games! Gaia Project is the better game without really putting any additional weight or complexity on top. Negative things about GP: first its a more complex game than TM. J'ai toujours bien aimé mais je n'ai pas le public pour (mais j'ai quand même passé le cap de l'achat pour Gaia Project). I will throw out the option that Clans of Caledonia is another game that builds on TM and has the lovely woody production. Ou moins, tout dépend de ses goûts et sensibilité et si l’on préfère les sirènes aux aliens. GP just gets rid of some of the very few rough spots I found with TM. Projet Gaia est un jeu Space Opera dans l’univers du désormais plus que célèbre Terra Mystica. ... Un Œil sur PROJET GAIA – Dans l’Univers de Terra Mystica. Many people (myself included) have serious warping issues with the first printing of this game (YMMV). level 2 Terra mystica is best at 4 and pretty lackluster at 2. Terra Mystica +5 players is a huge bonus+ i like the fantasy theme better than Gaia Project. 5 Jahre nach dem weltweiten Erfolg von Terra Mystica kommt nun mit Gaia Project der Nachfolger heraus. Higher race variability. Iv'e read some impressions but they basicallly seem to say theyre the same with only minor differences. Einmal editiert, zuletzt von Puma (22. Edit: also, the solo mode is really well done. Lautsprecher. Upgrade your structures, gain resources, and progress in six different … More interesting Tech Tiles (blessings). a huge + Everyone is saying how Gaia Project gameplay is a strict improvement over Terra Mysticas. It's a different story if you're mainly going to play with 2 players. J'adore Terra Mystica, je trouve que c'est un excellant jeu et nous (mon groupe de joueurs et moi) y avons beaucoup joué. Gaia all the way. Personally id say Gaia project is the better game overall, mostly because its better at all player counts but that I prefer Terra mystica because I find the game a bit cleaner in its design. GP is a bit longer, but that's really because there are more options available to pore through. a small + i prefer plastic minis. Pas une grande expérience (3 parties de Terra Mystica à l'époque de sa sortie et 2 de Gaia Project ce week-end). Which do you prefer? Sucks to suck, dude, welcome to TM. Come discuss games like Codenames, Arkham Horror, Terra Mystica, and all your other favorite games! We bieden bord-, kaart- en dobbelspellen aan en dit voor zowel kinderen, families, koppels, beginnende boardgamers als echte geeks. I’ve heard great things about both. Your Tags: Add tags. Diese werden im Laufe des Spiels in verschiedene Arten aufgewertet. The modular map is better suited for that. Especially the spatial element feels different in Gaia, as the map has a lot more empty space and the neighbour-rules and city/federation-rules are a bit more lenient. I really don't see a reason to own both and would just dive into GP. I've played Terra Mystica 7-8 times and played Gaia Project for the first time this week. With 6 tokens, you go from 0/2/4 to 0/0/5. A Terra Mystica: Gaia Project egy nagyon összetett társasjáték, 1 - 4 játékos részére, az átlagos játékidő hosszú, akár 1 - 2.5 óra is lehet. Spielend für Toleranz. Different opinion here: The minor differences make Gaia Project slightly more fiddly without adding anything substancial. - Project Gaia: Terra Mystica in Space - Brettspiel-Forum - Bilder von der Spiel 2015 | The Board Game Journal - Essenský Spiel 2015 - den 3. … Less VP and more customization options for the races, which change game-to-game since they are a part of a set up. I would say GP is like feast for Odin and TM is like agricola. Harry2017. Gaia Project. Terra Mystica: Gaia Project. I would argue that nothing about Gaia Project is "smoother" than Terra Mystica. Man generiert … but I still liked it.
A játékokhoz kapcsolódó adatok és indexképek jelentős része a BoardGameGeek oldaláról származnak! As others have said the research track is vastly superior to the cult tracks in TM. Set your sights on distant stars and strive to colonize the galaxy in Gaia Project, the follow-up to the smash hit Terra Mystica! Terra Mystica is one of my all-time favorite games, but after 6 plays of Gaia Project, I think GP is even better. PROJET GAIA est un vrai jeu "Expert", prenant l'asymétrie d'expériences comme point de départ à un jeu associant gestion, développement et majorité. They both have their merits, but I would really look at player count. Das Spiel trägt den Namen “Gaia Project” und wird sprichwörtlich im Universum von Terra Mystica angesiedelt sein. In diesem Video beschreibe ich euch alle Unterschiede der beiden Spiele Gaia Project und Terra Mystica. 3. I am trying to decide which one I want to Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. hide. In Gaia you generally start with way less power tokens so early power burns are not as obvious and there are many ways to gain new power so it will ebb and flow throughout the game. Q.I.C. Das ermöglicht den Zugriff auf mehr Ressourcen und Aktionen. Set your sights on distant stars and strive to colonize the galaxy in Gaia Project, the follow-up to Terra Mystica! Why give you so many power tokens and then have an obvious early move be to dump them? The cult tracks are rather boring in TM, but GP fixes this. There are parts where I think the additional complexity is better and worth it (research tracks vs cult tracks, changes to the power bowls), and parts where I think it is worse (Gaia planets). J'ai toujours bien aimé mais je n'ai pas le public pour (mais j'ai quand même passé le cap de l'achat pour Gaia Project). I thought it was fantastic and am super excited to try it again. The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. At the moment I think that Gaia is better than TM. Sickerflopp-Liebhaber. Quand nous nous sommes intéressés à Projet Gaia, l'argument : "Terra Mystica en mieux" ne pouvait qu'enfoncer le clou d'avantage : il nous fallait ce jeu. Gaia Project. Same type of game, inspired by TM. ANZEIGE. save.
Press J to jump to the feed. … 14. It makes it harder to gauge the best plays when it comes to using power. J'adore Terra Mystica, je trouve que c'est un excellant jeu et nous (mon groupe de joueurs et moi) y avons beaucoup joué. J'ai toujours bien aimé mais je n'ai pas le public pour (mais j'ai quand même passé le cap de l'achat pour Gaia Project). Commun (même si bien sûr adapté à chaque version) : Gaia Project is a new game in the line of Terra Mystica. Comme dans le Terra Mystica original, quatorze factions différentes vivent sur sept types de planètes différentes, et chaque faction est liée à leurs propres planètes d'origine. It's a really cool map-building aspect for a Euro, and GP just doesn't feel so focused. Wer Terra Mystica nicht kennt: Gaia Project ist ein komplexes Aufbauspiel mit vielen Möglichkeiten, Punkte zu generieren, viele gut ineinander verzahnte Mechaniken, Interaktion auf moderatem aber spürbarem Niveau und unzählige Völker, die sich komplett unterschiedlich spielen. The playmats look almost identical, and it seems to me that the only thing that was changed is the theme from Fantasy to Space. It will almost definitely be replacing Terra Mystica on our shelf. New "joker" planet type, which ease out the kinks in building progression. I would decide based on your usual player count. As in the original Terra Mystica, fourteen different factions live on seven different kinds of planets, and each faction is bound to their own home planets, so to develop and grow, they must terraform neighboring planets into their home environments in competition with the other groups. Explore the vast reaches of space and convert planets to meet your faction`s unique environmental needs as you seek to tighten your grasp on the galaxy. Paru en 2013, ... Projet Gaia. 90% Upvoted. Gaia is a lot better than TM and that is coming from someone who rated TM at 10, with only one other game in the same bracket (Through the Ages). It is still best at 3+, but it is really good at 2. I prefer Gaia and see it as a refinement on the previous game in a few ways. Granted, I'm sure it's very hard to do this with aliens compared to fantasy races. But because you'd burned less to start out with, you're still better off in the first example, because you continue to have a higher capacity. As in the original Terra Mystica, fourteen different factions live on seven different kinds of planets, and each faction is bound to their own home planets, so to develop and grow, they must terraform neighboring planets into their home environments in competition with the other groups. It's a different story if you're mainly going to play with 2 players.